How to send money overseas from Vietnam

Almost every week Facebook groups are flooded with messages from expatriates who have worked in Vietnam and are returning home looking to send money abroad. In general :

  • either the money is in their bank account and they wish to send these  by international transfer
  • they have VNDs in cash that they are looking to convert into USD or EUR to be able to use them in their country

As soon as they go to their Vietnamese bank, it asks them many questions, asks them for papers such as the updated employment contract and salary slips proving the origin of the funds. If you have worked for different schools, been paid directly by hand or the money comes from services you have provided as a self-employed person, it may be difficult to prove the origin of the funds.

Legislation on Money Transfers Abroad

The law is very clear on this subject: if you are a Vietnamese resident and a foreigner, you have the right to take money out of the country as soon as it has been legally earned. This means that you have paid your taxes on them. Even if some people will tell you that you are not obliged, once this salary has been received on Vietnamese soil from a job you have provided you will have to honor your tax obligations and pay the tax due. If this is your situation, contact an accountant who specializes in personal tax returns, which involves obtaining a PIT (equivalent to a social security number), calculating the taxes due and the settlement. Once these declarations have been made, you will be in good standing with the Vietnamese tax authorities and may consider returning to your country.

How to send money overseas to USA from Vietnam

If you are Vietnamese (have a Vietnamese passport), it is always possible to send money abroad according to certain specific rules. Your request must be for study, health care, business travel or tourism on your own behalf or that of a family member. In these specific cases, you will be allowed to exchange VNDs for USD or whatever your native currency is, and send them abroad.

⚠️ As I am not a tax expert, I invite you to contact a lawyer if your situation is more complex and you wish to know the legislation.

There are many alternatives for those who want to send money abroad. Among these are solutions such as Paypal, Western Union or through independent brokers. In general, these solutions work quite well, but the fees are exorbitant when you analyze the margin these services take. Of course, any international transfer has its costs, but our goal is not to get plucked and keep only the peanuts.

For example, let’s see how much a money transfer from France to Vietnam costs in order to get an idea of the costs involved by using current Fintech services.

Transfer Between France and Vietnam – Idea of Fees

When making an international transfer of this type, there are several parameters to consider:

  1. The initial costs that the first bank will take to make the transaction
  2. Currency conversion fees (in the example it was between the euro and the US dollar, my account in Vietnam being in USD)
  3. The reception fees that the second bank will have
  4. The impact of the currency movements on the Forex market between the date of wire issue and reception if there is a currency conversion

When you have carried out such an operation, you must keep in mind that there could be more fees. If a bank tells you that it has no shipping or receiving fees, it is because they may have huge fees when converting currencies.

In my situation, sending from France to Vietnam cost me: 126.40 € to send 30,000 € (even no cost charged by the Vietnamese bank at the reception). That is 0.5% on the entire transaction.

transfer money overseas from Europe to Vietnam : fees

This operation was carried out using Transferwise: a solution to significantly reduce costs thanks to their global partnership between different banks and access to the exchange rate of the financial markets.

If you plan to make such an international transfer soon, register and benefit from the first free transfer (up to $500).

The problem today is that, such tools that revolutionize international transfers do not (yet) allow money to be sent from Vietnam to other countries. This is due to the fact that Vietnamese currency is protected as are currencies such as the Chinese Yuan or the Thai Baht.

Now that we have an idea of the costs involved, let’s focus on the case we are interested on in this article: how to send money between Vietnam and abroad and the alternatives offered today to expatriates.

The Wrong Solutions: Western Union, Paypal and Independent Broker

As presented earlier, sending money abroad presents several sources of costs that are generally charged by banks: issuance costs, exchange fees and reception fees. Services like Western Union or Paypal will tell you that they have no fees, but these are actually marketing arguments that hide the fact that they will ask you for a higher fee for currency conversion.

Paypal: Is It That Easy to Send Money Abroad?

The method seems simple but you will soon discover that the costs are high. To do this, you must:

  • Have a Paypal Vietnam account linked to your bank account in Vietnam. This account will generally be denominated in VND (Vietnam Dong)
  • Have a Paypal account abroad, in France, Belgium, Switzerland or any other country: this account will be denominated in the country’s currency: Euros, US Dollars, etc …

The process is quite simple: you fund Paypal from your account in Vietnam, you send the money to the account abroad using “Send money to a friend”, then you will receive the money very quickly within 24 to 48 hours.

Paypal fees for sending money overseas outside of Vietnam to USA, UK or Australia

The fees are not listed directly on the Paypal website: they depend on the currency into which you will convert your Dong but according to the opinions of expatriates who have tried this method to transfer money abroad, you should expect between 6-7% of fees. It’s simple but quite exorbitant.

Using Western Union: The Anti-Stress Solution

Western Union is a global service to send currencies worldwide anywhereThis global company has offices in the majority of banking institutions in Vietnam. Even if you are in a remote corner of Vietnam, you can send and receive money. This can be very convenient if you have an emergency to deal with. From the moment the branches are opened in the sending and receiving country, the transfer is very fast and will only take a few minutes.

The problem with this solution is still the cost. According to the opinions of expatriates living in Vietnam, we are talking about 6-7% of costs again.

Independent Brokers and Black Market

Vietnam has many jewelry stores that offer to buy / sell different currencies. You can often exchange Vietnam dollars for US dollars, euros or rarer currencies depending on the choice they have in stock. This solution is very competitive when you have quite large amounts of tickets such as $100 bills and you want to get Vietnam Dong. On the other hand, if you go to a foreign exchange agency or a jewelry store and you will immediately have expenses that are close to 10%.

Again, this solution can save you time, but you will pay the price. Also remember that it is prohibited to travel with more than $5,000 in cash or equivalent in currency in most countries. Thus, if you exchange more than a certain amount of VND in Vietnam for USD, you will have to declare the origin of the funds when you clear customs. In addition to the supporting documents you may have to show, being in possession of too much money on hands always brings stress and anxiety that you will have to deal with.

Alternative #1: Choose the Right Bank for Expats

Some international banks such as HSBC offer bridges between countries. If you are a “Premium Customer” in a worldwide bank, you may have options to choose a set-up that will allow you to send money overseas easily. For instance, in HSBC you can open a “Premier Bank Account” in your home country and choose a similar option in Vietnam. You can usually claim your “Premier” benefits and inform them you will send money overseas. Let them know your projects (doing business overseas, being an investor, etc.) and you can get special treatment for transferring money from Vietnam abroad.

choose an international worldwide bank to do business or travel and reduce the expenses and fees

This is the ideal solution if you are an expatriate, and you have thought about taking the necessary steps early enough to open an account in one of these banking institutions. If you have just arrived in Vietnam, get in touch with your banking institution in your home country to find out what options are available and what choices they offer. If you have to travel a lot for personal or professional reasons, joining a World Bank has its advantages. Make an appointment with your banker to tell him about your expatriation project and how they can help you.

Transfer from Vietnam to Foreign Countries: 100% Legal / 1-3% Fees

The survey was conducted to study all the alternatives offered to expatriates who wish to send money abroad in a 100% legal way while minimizing the costs. Between brokers, exchange agencies, the use of certain banks: the choice is vast, and many are lost at the idea of sending money abroad: will it work? Is it legal? How long will it take to receive my funds? All this needs to be clarified because the approach deserves to be highlighted. Efficient use of the tools available today that make it possible to remain within a legal framework while having reasonable transfer times.

How to legally send money overseas outside of vietnam

This method will use exchangers and electronic currencies. The goal is to use reliable, legal and robust tools to transfer funds abroad, freeing yourself from banking institutions that only seek to take an indecent margin. An exchanger is a regulated market like the world currency market (FOREX) but for electronic currencies (Bitcoin, Ethereum,… etc.) This market allows a user to exchange fiduciary currencies for electronic currencies.

Crypto Currencies: Legal aspect of Bitcoin in Vietnam

Bitcoin: the popular currency is regulated in most countries such as the United States, Europe and Vietnam. A legal framework has been defined to prohibit payment by Bitcoin.

Use crypto currencies to convert vietnam dong

This means that it is not yet possible to pay your “Cà phê sữa đá” by Bitcoin. However, you can legally buy, sell and exchange these electronic currencies with each other.

How to send VNDs from Vietnam, receive US$, EUR… and Other Currency Abroad

The method is divided into several steps:

how to convert VND to BTC to send money overseas through exchange VBTC

  1. You exchange your VNDs for BTCs (Bitcoin)
  2. You transfer your BTCs abroad.
  3. You convert BTCs into EUR, USD by transferring them to your bank account abroad

Fees and Costs of Transferring Abroad

There are costs inherent to these operations, which can be relatively high if your transfer is for a small amount but for a significant amount, this solution will be more interesting than the alternatives listed above.

Below is an expanded view of the exact costs that will be present at each step. An explanatory leaflet below details each step. By following the instructions on buying / selling and transferring your coins, you can considerably reduce the costs for the total operation. You can adjust the amount (in US$) you want to send, and the calculations will be updated. Two scenarios are simulated: sending to an account in the United States in US$ and one in Europe (in €) for a European resident.

Additional information and details

  • (1): Because VBTC exchange doesn’t get a lot of volume, you may have a higher average price for each BTC bought compared to the market price displayed on the exchange.
  • (2): Given the liquidity on Coinbase between BTC/USD and BTC/EUR, you will obtain a spread almost zero and therefore a negligible cost on the conversion. The 0.25% fees are the the only cost to be able to “buy at market price”.
  • (3) Withdrawal to your bank account in Europe €0.15 for a SEPA transfer, 1.49% for a transfer in $US to the USA

This simulation uses real time data from VBTC, Coinbase and global exchange rates between currencies: VND/EUR, VND/USD, EUR/USD. It is highly possible that minimal price fluctuations, volatility or other price movements could change the results. You should therefore use this tool for information purposes. As the BTC price is highly volatile within a single day, this calculation model is theoretical but has limits inherent in the very stages of the operations. The liquidity of the exchangers is also important in such a scenario: the more you want to make a large transaction, the higher the initial purchase price of Bitcoin will be, which will make the transaction less profitable. There is a balance to find between the different cases and market situations. This alternative is therefore helpful for digital currency users who are aware of the issues and limits.

Source: movetoasia.com

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